Valorian-Aeternum
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Hey sorry, I am on vacations. So the latest version should be sonething like 7.0.21 (anyone?) As far as I remember there is a download available in the ressource section...
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Titanium X
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But is that the last known working version for centred?
[doublepost=1501690949][/doublepost]I tried the 7.0.20 download from resources and got cedserver up and running. However, I found that someone must have added a building to at least moonglow in that download. So it's not a pure UO map. *Sigh*
m309
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I'm not trying to start anything, so don't take this question the wrong way - I'm simply curious. If you're looking for a "pure" UO map, then what do you even need CED for? If you plan on making modifications to it anyway, then just use CED to manually remove the building?
Titanium X
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JERK! No, I'm looking to START with the pure UO map, and then make modifications/updates to that map using CED. CED cannot use the UOP files that are available now.
(Just kidding on the jerk comment)
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Titanium X
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How do you mean, UOFiddler and a plugin to do complete worldbuilding?
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StaticZ
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CentrEd+ supports any clients based on mul files, to be exactly from pre-alpha client up to 7.0.23.1. If you use higher client you can use some software to convert files for CentreEd+ from uop to mul and then convert back for client from mul to uop. Files required for client are written at login menu of client, and files required for server you can see in config file.
If CentrEd+ not work for you read what errors give client or server, in most situations they are related with problems in CentrEd+ configs, for example there presents tiles which not exists in your mul files. From version to version I fix known bugs which cause crashes, but it still have some problems especialy with TilesEntry.xml. Yes it requires some work with configs, just as all client are different its hard to make configs that will work with any muls (sure I mean not empty configs xD). If some one whant to improve default configs or share his\her own I with pleasure will include them in next versions
If CentrEd+ not work for you read what errors give client or server, in most situations they are related with problems in CentrEd+ configs, for example there presents tiles which not exists in your mul files. From version to version I fix known bugs which cause crashes, but it still have some problems especialy with TilesEntry.xml. Yes it requires some work with configs, just as all client are different its hard to make configs that will work with any muls (sure I mean not empty configs xD). If some one whant to improve default configs or share his\her own I with pleasure will include them in next versions
Can't use any converted UOP->MULs from any clients 7.0.50+ due to incorrect map sizes... If you were inclined to release the CED+ source for both server and client, I would be more than happy to bring it up to speed... Otherwise I will have to do everything you've already done, all over again, working with the last know source release. (which would suck, but doable)
Valorian-Aeternum
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To Lord Clay of Aquinas:
The thing is that you have just a few choices to make:
1) Will I just use OSI stuff as it is? -> Yes, than you do not need Centred+ -> No, than you need to use something below the clientversion StaticZ mentioned.
2) IF no, what would you like to change? If you are happy with the filesizes and the empty slots available, then be happy with it. If not you can use the little programm to increase all the filesizes up to a certain limit (0xffff). But they all need to be in the same length and version. The disadvantage of this is simply that you need a new client as Orion for example to use the files properly.
And as StaticZ mentioned: The mapsize can easily be set in the configs of Centred+. If you are missing some tiles just check your virtual tile list. All tiles mentioned in there will be marked as virtual and cannot be seen in the tile list!
Converted files are not useful with Centred+, tried this myself and then I thought I can be happy with increased file sizes aswell (StaticZ now it was hard to get there, but I made it with his great support^^).
To Voxpire:
I am not sure if StaticZ likes to release the sourcecode.
For me it even would not matter cause everthing is supported quite ok. The thing that I see more problematic is the lack of proper up to date programms like fiddler or similar tools.
Fiddlers source code is available and it would be great to increase the filesize that could be read by this tool and also the speed.
Link to the source:
https://svn.code.sf.net/p/pol-distro/code/tools/UoFiddler/
So if you could spend some time with that and update it, that you would already have a working world editor to use.
BTW: The Centred source (The original one) is available:
Link:
http://redmine.aksdb.de/projects/centred/wiki/SourceCode/4
http://redmine.aksdb.de/projects/centred/wiki/SourceCode/4
Hope that is of some help.
The thing is that you have just a few choices to make:
1) Will I just use OSI stuff as it is? -> Yes, than you do not need Centred+ -> No, than you need to use something below the clientversion StaticZ mentioned.
2) IF no, what would you like to change? If you are happy with the filesizes and the empty slots available, then be happy with it. If not you can use the little programm to increase all the filesizes up to a certain limit (0xffff). But they all need to be in the same length and version. The disadvantage of this is simply that you need a new client as Orion for example to use the files properly.
And as StaticZ mentioned: The mapsize can easily be set in the configs of Centred+. If you are missing some tiles just check your virtual tile list. All tiles mentioned in there will be marked as virtual and cannot be seen in the tile list!
Converted files are not useful with Centred+, tried this myself and then I thought I can be happy with increased file sizes aswell (StaticZ now it was hard to get there, but I made it with his great support^^).
To Voxpire:
I am not sure if StaticZ likes to release the sourcecode.
For me it even would not matter cause everthing is supported quite ok. The thing that I see more problematic is the lack of proper up to date programms like fiddler or similar tools.
Fiddlers source code is available and it would be great to increase the filesize that could be read by this tool and also the speed.
Link to the source:
https://svn.code.sf.net/p/pol-distro/code/tools/UoFiddler/
So if you could spend some time with that and update it, that you would already have a working world editor to use.
BTW: The Centred source (The original one) is available:
Link:
http://redmine.aksdb.de/projects/centred/wiki/SourceCode/4
http://redmine.aksdb.de/projects/centred/wiki/SourceCode/4
Hope that is of some help.
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Titanium X
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1. So the plan is using the OSI map, however I need to make changes to it. Ideally, using the latest files would be nice.
2. A: I would love to allow for more items to be added (essentially the max amount that can be added).
I know I can set different map sizes and configs for different map size versions in the cedserver.xml. However, I was attempting with the latest UOP files to do this and it was continually failing. Once I tried mul files from 7.0.20 (estimated last version that works with ced), I was able to get the cedserver working without any issues.
In the end it would be nice to have it all latest uop files to modify, largest amount of item count etc. But I know that's not all possible a this time due to decreased support for applications at this time.
If CED+ source won't be released for the greater benefit of the community, then I am forced to update on old version, or even create an entirely new map editor from scratch. Watch this space...
Relying on file conversions is annoying, we need to bring our tech up to date. CED is pretty much useless right now, I don't understand why the source won't be released.
Relying on file conversions is annoying, we need to bring our tech up to date. CED is pretty much useless right now, I don't understand why the source won't be released.
Valorian-Aeternum
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I would support to get a more up to date version of several programms. Look, even the files from the newer UO versions cannot properly be edited with the old stuff. I would love to have more freedom of adding unlimited items and textures to UO, but fiddler cannot manage this right now. It is even slow as hell... And Centred+ is crashing regularly and also has some restrictions I do not like. I would love to see a worldeditor as easy to use as Centred+ but with more freedom like adding dynaimcs, or dynamic lights, or even with a "brush" tool to draw proper landscapes and heights.
For example: I am using textures with more then the regular border to border transitions (gras to roock, etc) to give UO a more natural look. If we could add this to centred+ I would be glad to release my textures. But now it is a pain to get stuff like this working cause you need to place every border by hand if you like to have more then one tile.
There are a lot of wishes I would have for a new tool and the best tool would be a combination of fiddler and centred+ like StaticZ did with fiddler+ which I cannot use cause my russian is very rusty
So I would highly support anyone who is willing to combine two epic possibilitis: Edit files unlimited and edit worldmaps unlimited on the fly.
And it would need a lot of tools.
I would even test it or try to help with programming some stuff ( i am not fast, but a fast learner) if you do it in c++ or c#^^
I know that Aeternum is most probably the freeshard which ich bringing custom stuff to the very limit, but I guess if we do it properly a lot of projects will follow who will all need new programms to keep thing going.
Cheers!
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StaticZ
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I don't heared about any crashes in lasts versions (except loading configs while login), as for me it works stable, so If you have any problems and find some bugs - describe them, Im always ready to help and fix such things.
As for "dynamic lights" I don't understand what you mean, and as for "brush" tool to draw proper landscapes heights - work is in progress. UOP support is also in plans...
Same as above, no one before requests anything like this. If you whant to add support of such thing - explain more detail, give some expamle of such textures with borders and rules for them if reuired. If you don't like share your artwork you can show it with 2colored texture example.
Fiddler+ is opensource for several years, even more anybody can do with it sourcecode anything he or she whants. Rather much people whanted to see it in english, but no one even tries to make translation or fix some problems. One time I also worked on UDK (Ultima Developer Kit), projects goal was rather interesting - create complex project that replace UltimaSDK (dll which is used in many projects for working with uo files), library with special UO controls for fast and easy writing own applications and application itself that can anything that can fiddler+\centred+\map generator and even more. It was also opensource, but no one was interested in it and whant help with it developing, so development was freezed.
Valorian-Aeternum
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I can help with the translation. I have a russian collegue whom I can ask. So the translation I can provide at least. I started with it but figured my russian is to low level to go on and it seemed to frustrating.
I will open a new thread for the rest, this one is way to far away from the topic...
I will open a new thread for the rest, this one is way to far away from the topic...
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StaticZ
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There are not much text, 95% of text is simple words like "open file", "save file", "animation edit", "show grid" and so on. It can be easily translated with Google Translate and then corrected. For example if you get some button translation as "download file" and you see that selecting it open allows to open file from HDD its evidently that better to change translation to "open file" or "load file". But in cases when text composed of 1-3 words this willn't even required. More hard to understand how some things works even with russian knowledge and sources, but I can help with this. Main problem with Fiddler+ and Fiddler is that it's fast codding projects. I wrote Fiddler+ for myself and own project so don't take much care about supporting other clients, sure it work with other and vanila clients but not all, thats why I don't publish it here. Any way if someone whant to translate, fix bugs or impreve it I can give access to SVN for commit changes. But, friendly speaking, Fiddler\Fiddler+ has very bad architecture, thats why I don't whant to continue developing it. Sure from time to time I still make updates when I require do something with mul files, for example import new fonts from font editor. Thats why better to develop new application, like UDK. We started it with one guy, which worked on WPF UI for project. Unfortunately he have no time for project, so development was freezed as Im not much good in it and it's take from me too much time. So if someone will whant to help with UI for UDK, I will continue work on it with greate pleasure.
As for converting maps from uop and back I will try to write some tool now.
As for converting maps from uop and back I will try to write some tool now.
There are tools for converting map uop to mul and back...
You say there has been no interest in developing these tools, but that couldnt be further from the truth... I agree Fiddler codebase is a tangled mess that is virtually unmaintainable, but that didn't stop me digging into it to add UOP support... I don't release it because its not stable, but I share source when asked. So, why not open source the CED+ server software? I want a straight and reasonable answer, if you don't mind... Is it because someone would remove the Quint splash screen? Because honestly, thats the only difference I've managed to notice between CED and CED+ or the other App+ releases... Whats the point in taking feature requests when you're too busy to implement them? Just release the source, or let it become obsolete and make way for a new community project... it has been useless since last year anyway... so help me understand your thought process because right now, its just a carrot on a stick for those who would-be amazing world designers, held by back by the most simple and easily resolved issues... my questions will become less and less hospitable the more you continue to leave them unanswered...
You say there has been no interest in developing these tools, but that couldnt be further from the truth... I agree Fiddler codebase is a tangled mess that is virtually unmaintainable, but that didn't stop me digging into it to add UOP support... I don't release it because its not stable, but I share source when asked. So, why not open source the CED+ server software? I want a straight and reasonable answer, if you don't mind... Is it because someone would remove the Quint splash screen? Because honestly, thats the only difference I've managed to notice between CED and CED+ or the other App+ releases... Whats the point in taking feature requests when you're too busy to implement them? Just release the source, or let it become obsolete and make way for a new community project... it has been useless since last year anyway... so help me understand your thought process because right now, its just a carrot on a stick for those who would-be amazing world designers, held by back by the most simple and easily resolved issues... my questions will become less and less hospitable the more you continue to leave them unanswered...
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StaticZ
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I know, it's not a secrete, but this is yours words:
Any way I wroted mul2uop and uop2mul converter, my converter. I don't test it much, but it works fine with 7.0.59.4 client. Worked with artLegacyMUL.uop, gumpartLegacyMUL.uop, soundLegacyMUL.uop, map##LegacyMUL.uop and AnimationFrame#.uop. I upload it as Essence UDK Tools if some one will be interested in it.
I said this only about Fiddler. Why? To much copy\past, when I create art.mul merger I don't only ones more create same controls and wrote much same code, I even had to create copy of Art class in UltimaSDK as it don't allow to work at same time with different same files. Many things wroted very uncomfrtable, thats why I decided not to continue its developing. It's still good project and I still update it when need some special, but it have no future as creating something more powerful and flexible will require to rewrite too much code, and it's easy in such case write new project from zero.
I will open source when finish or when decide to stop developing as I did with Fiddler+. Why? Sorry, it's hard for me to explain it in english and friendly speaking I don't much wont do explain it.
There are much difference in UI, features, tools and so on, logo is just way to give link to projects page, where can be found updates, documentation and where people can post bugreports or some feature requests. As Fiddler+ is closed you can do with it sources any thing you whant - remove\replace splash screen, rename project, I even don't require to give any mentioning or links to original project, it's site or me.
Why you decided it? Im working on it. Just at this moment I have only few requests, most of them ither very specific like supporting stilus presure sensevity ither not properly understood (for example brushes for drawing landscape geometry. I agree it's important and will be very helpfull, but how this brushes must work?). Whats the point you ask? If no request then ither all are happy with what we have at this moment ither no one use it at all. As you understand all this take influence on motivation to spend time on developing.
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StaticZ
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StaticZ updated CentrEd+ with a new update entry:
Version 0.7.9 released
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Version 0.7.9 released
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clark71822
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So this will work with the 7.0.59.5 client? And does it work for enhanced client as well or is that a ways off yet?
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StaticZ
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All works fine for me, all versions are available from https://dev.uoquint.com/projects/centred/files , try to download there.
Was my anti virus. My bad. Also stops it from running unknown publisher have to click run anyway.
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StaticZ
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What antivirus you use? virustotal didnt detected anything at all by each of 64 antiviruses.
Avast then when I tried to run the exe after I turned it off windows stopped it.
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StaticZ
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Strange on virustotal avast didn't find anything
Under the centered Server setup
Under the server setup page http://dev.uoquint.ru/projects/centred/wiki/Start_and_server_setup map sizes
Valorian-Aeternum
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StaticZ
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Ahh, just forget to fix text there... You have to use 0x18 or 0x1C flags for supporting uop files, in this case you have also specify new value called "prefix".
By the way, italian and spanish translations need updating...
